Vinefire, Is It A Sham or a Scam?
Frustrated network marketer, you just received the credit card you applied for in the mail and it has a credit limit of $10,000 and that is enough to buy that motorcycle you have been looking at for some time. You go ahead and buy the motorcycle and go for your first ride, and what a ride it was. Well the grace period ran out on your credit card and the statement arrives and you have decided not to pay the bill until your investment comes due next year. You call the credit card company and tell them “hang on, I’ll pay you next year”. Then you begin thinking what action the credit card company is going to take and how long before they act on collecting the bill.
The above paragraph is just a made up scenario that brings to mind a site on the internet that has stated just that. Payout will not be until January 2010. Now I don’t know about you, but I like to be compensated for my work in a timely manner. I ask, do you think that the payout in January 2010 is real or just idle words? Only time will tell.
There have been some that have checked the payout area at the Vinefire site and found names that had supposedly been paid out. One person stated that he contacted people on the list who were supposedly paid out within the last hour. This is the comment he made “It’s all lies they are telling!” Another quoted the following regarding the payout “Well, Since I live in the Czech Republic and the Address, it says in the Payout section, was in my neighbourhood, So I knocked on the door and there was an old lady. No one received payments from VineFire in that house, no one knew about it.” (Spelling and grammar corrected for this blog). Is the word Sham too weak? You decide.
I have read comments from other people who may be depending on the payout that Vinefire has stated would happen in January 2010. For some it may just be thought of as extra spending money. But for others they depend upon this payout as a last ditch effort for a financial rescue from certain financial and personal disaster. It is sad that there have been those that are depending on an experimental web site where nothing is sure. I hope you are not one of these people, you may be in store for a big disappointment.
The stated payout is based on the idea that Vinefire would sell out to a much larger company. If this is so then there are some calculations to be made. If the maximum earnings per day allowed for free members is $3 and verified members is $25 and we have a conservative number of 1000 members. Then we would expect the following:
At the $3 level the payout would be $1,095,000 per year, and at the $25 level $9,125,000.
Vinefire has been assessed at approximately $400,000 to $500,000 with a daily revenue from advertising of approximately $650.
I chose to use a conservative amount of 1000 members and I believe there are many more. Do the math with 30,000 members and see where that leads. With the math done you need to ask yourself if the payout is at all possible. Is It?
A word of caution to those that are opting into Vinefire on the word from members that are saying that they have earned $$$ so far. In my experience you cannot say that you have earned $$$ until you have the cash in your hands. Until the cash is in your hands it is only a concept, don’t you agree? And these claims are also considered ENTICEMENT and illegal in the network marketing industry.
Without integrity you have nothing. Here is a quote from a forum which I thought needed mentioning. “Most people are not leaving Vinefire and I’m not either because it’s great free place to advertise and people get good results. Will they pay me the $12,000+ showing in my account? Probably not but it would be nice if they did but I do love all the free advertising.” When I read this, my first thought was there is no integrity in this. I would not use an advertising site, that I felt was sham/scam, to advertise my business. When I do my research on a business opportunity I look into how this person conducts themselves and what they are involved in. If you are using methods that have no integrity then it leaves me to no other conclusion other than to think that they have no integrity either, regardless of how harmless it may be. Harmless or not I would not consider joining their opportunity. They would have lost any respect that I may of had for them due to their lack of integrity. If you were looking for a business opportunity would you not feel the same way? You Should.
There is one other bit of information you need to have before you decide whether Vinefire is a sham/scam or not and that is the invisibility of the owners/administrators of Vinefire. During my research I could not find contact, address or email information. This does not seem to be a problem that I alone have had either. On many of the forums and blogs there were a number of individuals that could not make contact with owner/administrator of Vinefire in order to ask questions or get support. Interesting to note, in the Vinefire’s Newsletter Verification email, the address given: 2661 North Pearl Street. Tacoma, WA. 98407…it happens to be an UPS store.
I am not sure why this business owner wants to remain invisible to those joining his business unless there is or going to be an integrity issue. Since the identity remains hidden it gives the opportunity that if Vinefire does not follow through on the payout that they could ultimately do this to the unsuspecting public again in the future. It is also interesting to note that many have stated that when they tried to go to the Wealthtoolbox web site, which was a known scam, it redirected to the Vinefire web site, coincidence? I don’t think so. Just as the police find a criminal by their track record, it follows that if the two sites were/are owned by the same owner/administrator then they have left a track record also, beware!
Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
Vinefire, in its sole discretion, has the right to terminate your account and refuse any and all current or future use of the Service, or any other Vinefire service, for any reason at any time. Such account termination would include the deactivation and deletion of your Account and your forfeiture of any earnings balance shown in your Account.”
The above statement, is in the terms of service policy, from Vinefire and appears to be standard for many others. This particular statement bares scrutiny by anyone thinking about joining when the owners integrity is in question. When you read the statement you should realize that this is a way Vinefire can terminate people at their own discretion, for no reason, and not have to pay out. I read my policies and procedures, terms of service, privacy policies and checked out the past record of the owners. Did You? You really need to.
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